If the corner is that tight it becomes more of a trails move. It's ridiculous. The RUNT helped my 36 a ton with midstroke, but mezzer puts it all together in an amazing package, As long as we are being scientific you should share the data from your full 30 runs because the data from the selected 10 does not show a significant difference between the single and dual crown forks. A dual crown has a lower axle to crown than a single crown so the difference may not be as big as you think, if at all. While the Torque can still lay down some rapid splits on an Enduro stage (especially in 29er form), it was also built burly enough to take on freeride duties. This is the bike industry you are talking about. It was a large improvement from the DVO Diamond it replaced. I've never ridden dual crown so might consider it if there was a significant benefit. Eventually the lowers developed a hairline crack and then the frame blew apart at the seat tube weld. Swapping between a dual and single crown fork for enduro and DH racing Currently in the market for a new race bike for next season. Throw in 42 diameter stanchions with a reach so long i feel like superman! Makes sense, you don't really notice the dual crown when using a lefty for XC or a dual crown fork for DH so stands to reason it'd be a non-issue for the inbetweeny-enduro bikes. My idea was to pick up 2 forks, one single and one dual and make a side by side ride test on enduro trails, and see which one is the best. Also give us a butler to carry the 50lb turd to the top Or a an electric motor. Ive been there the previous years with the single crown and so I remember how was to ride single crown over there. Cool article, love how every variable was eliminated. No it's all bitching about creaking forks and out riding single crown forks. Perfect application for that. It's been almost a decade since I've used one, and never for climbing. Where is the 1.5 crowns (Intend) option??? It's no wonder the 38 VVC had to appear--I'm not that curious and would probably just get a Dorado if I needed that much fork. I think another consideration about weight is rider fatigue. A double-crown fork will make the front end feel . I still have my old RockShox Judy dual crown forks. and now its cool to run DC on an Enduro bike??? Enduro is a type of race where all timed stages are pointing down, you may have some narrower tracks compared to what you see on the downhill but you are still pointing down. For example the lefty was dual crown on XC bikes. So if you have slip stick due to deformation, it will stay the same with a dual crown. Not as plush as the DVO Emerald I have on the DH bike, 20 mm less travel though. Prior to Bikerumor, Cory was a practicing Architect specializing in environmental sustainability, has designed bike shops & bike components and worked as a bike shop mechanic. 64-degree head angles, and now talking about dual crown forks what a joke. LOL. I guess many of you now are wondering why I am on 180 disc only instead 200? Formula Selva XL 180mm double crown fork prototype, lighter than enduro single . When looking at the slightly slower speeds of enduro, freeride, or even bike park riding vs. World Cup Downhill, they realized they could get a much smaller lower crown with only one lower-profile single bolt clamp for each leg. Seems like the Mezzer can be pumped deeper to increase jump heights, with better control from stiffer chassis. just wondering if anyone has put a dual crown fork on there newer style enduro to make it more downhill and jump friendly? Manufacturers are looking at this due to a shortage of single crown fork production. Ive done a dozen of runs there of which the first batch to learn the lines, gain speed, and trust myself and the bike until I was ready to shredThen, I did 3 flat out runs with dual crown and 3 more with single crown. I know this because I have a YT SUEZ that I have had to put into service when the trail bike has been getting shock service. Doing tight switchbacks without that technique requires skidding the backend around. Maybe with a dual crown we can go faster and shave off some seconds and gain a podium , or are you scared you cannot pedal the dual crown uphill? the stopwatch is completely spot on saying that dual crown was the faster on the day, at least it was the fork that brought me down home without any crash. Have you ever ridden a dual crown fork before. Seems like a good idea Id try it out. There is no reason a dual crown can not have the same geo as single crown. We are all used to see enduro stems in the 35-40mm range, while the downhill typical stem length is usually a few millimetres longer, 45-50mm. If the industry had stayed with 26" wheels, there would be no need for dual crown "enduro" forks, 223mm brake rotors, 4-piston brakes on light-duty trail bikes, etc, but with 29" wheels there's so much more leverage and inertia. And then Formula went to town machining extra grams out of the crowns. I was a teenager and thought Id be cool like the freeride dudes. What works best for each rider is what matters. Remember last year when I installed the travel reduced Dorado on my enduro bike. Are there any bikes in between Enduro and DH that have a dropper, larger gear cassette, steeper seat tube angle, 200mm double crown fork and 200mm rear shock coil or air? Here it comes the nicest part of the story: I know the trail Crestino pretty well, been riding it for at least 30 years..all trees call me by name when I pass byCrestino is a trail with a lot of flow upper part, the rocks, roots, and a few power pedaling uphill sections too, perfect type of trail for a classic enduro long stage, last but not least the most difficult parts come at the lower part of it.exactly when you start to get tired . Basically, I'm occasionally racing enduro and downhill at the weekend warrior level, and I'm wondering wether such a rig would be performant in both applications. Cheers! The 3 people I know who had them had that problem. Two identical forks sharing same air progressions, a2c, travel, cartridges, offset, and geometry.except weight and number of crowns. weighed just 2.3kg on our scale, ready to ride with an uncut steerer, and designed for the heaviest enduro & freeride bikes and eMTBs. At Structure Cycleworks we know this is a trick question! 20x4inch fat wheel double air crown fork with rebound and compression adjustment for electric enduro fat bike with a pretty good quality and suspension performance. But there's excess stocks of dual crowns at the moment in the supply chain. published 21 June 2021 The Italian mountain bike brake and suspension specialist, Formula, has a new take on the 180mm fork This Formula fork could appeal to hardcore enduro riders (Image credit: Formula ) To me the ONLY big open question for the uphills with a dual crown is if pedaling with an heavier fork is a limiting factor for the uphill performances on the enduro transfers. I had a Boxxer Ride on my bike about 15 years ago. Answer one is a bit mocking. And then the top crown gets machined even further, with a direct mount stem interface for no-hassle bar mounting & security. All are available with 180 mm of travel. Lets see the results of the loops but let me split in two parts; uphill and downhill.lets analyze the uphill part first.. All guys I talked to about this test asked me Dave, how can you pedal uphill a downhill forkyou crazy. It's basically a dual-crown Ribbon, which has won a lot of awards in it's own right and has a 5-star user review on this website (and our previous fork, the Stage, got 4.5 stars from Vital and 5 from (2) Vital users). Let me explain better: the handlebar on dual-crown is attached to the fork with a direct mount stem which gives you a pretty solid connection between the rider and the bike and at the same time, under the crowns, the fork works out the obstacles pretty nicely with its mix of stiffness and compliance, making a really pleasant ride. I am myself considering the pairing one of the latest generation of burly enduro frames with a dual crown fork. Cane Creek DB Kitsuma Air Trunnion Rear Shock, Topeak Ratchet Rocket Lite NTX+ Adjustable TorqBit and Chain Tool. . My current bike is a Specialized Enduro that came with Boxxers and a coil shock as standard and my first mountain bike I bought in 1998 was a Specialized FSR which had dual crown forks, and a coil shock. Perfect freeride rig and can get ya where you need to go even if it's a bit of a slug to climb. Been there, done that. Trophy Truck. Never forget that comfort plays a huge role here. We all know the industry will iterate towards this in a couple of years. Specialized has been for years Haibike too. But no, we had to have boost.. :/. It has been a long wait but when the courier knocked my door with the parcel containing the freshly made new custom crownswow, I was like a young boy on Christmas eve when he opens the gifts and discovers he just got his first mini-motocross bike. It wasn't so long ago that a 180mm travel double crown fork would have surely been called DH, but that's totally not the case with this still officially unnamed, extra-long Formula Selva enduro fork. I wonder if it became accepted to ride a dual crown fork in enduro, whether people would start moving up to full 200mm DH forks? 'I can explain it to you, but I can't make you understand it". Some EWS stages have several extremely tight switchbacks, so a DC is going to be problematic. All I really wanted was a downhill bike but could not affort one. The pros usually nose manual for more efficiency and speed. Does that make a difference? Enduro bikes with a dual crown, how about we just call it what it really is, a freeride bike. I've ridden a newer remedy with the 'knock block' and didn't really notice it at all. The idea isnt to compete with DH forks Formula already has the Nero there. No, I use single crown fork even on DH frames. Contacted Formula directly and they had nothing to say for dates or general timeframes, even. Almost 9 years from my last Lefty. I dont think Pinkbike knows what a trail bike is. It wasn't the tightest trail in the world but it had some decently tight switches on ascents and I feel like I managed about the same as I did on my older remedy. Lets browse the net, fill some baskets, click some buy it now buttons and wait for the new parts to arrive , so I can start lacing up the enduro Dorado front wheel. Lets install for the fist time the custom enduro dorado RRT 170 on the bike. Threw some Eagle and a dropper on it because the big hits where I live require a pedal. I rode my monster Ts on a K2 Flying monkey at the local DH and XC races. I keep asking people who've ridden it for a review, but they always change the subject haha. Give us an aluminum frame dual crown coil rig with 511s and dh tires cush cored. Fantastic performance, and I was able to climb everything I could with a single crown.. Building something else now, so PM me if you are interested in the fork. For the single crown the choice was pretty easy, I took the best I am aware off: the stiffest, the lightest, the best riding out of the box , Manitou Mezzer 37mm chassis, pure perfection in a extremely lightweight 2 kg package, to me the best fork hands down in the beefy single crown forks market. I would definately have one, and called it freeride. Learn how your comment data is processed. Maybe he could have done a multifactor ANOVA, but at the same time, common sense would result in the same conclusion about the significant factors of the time results. People dont ride to the limit of their 15k triathlon bikes yet they feel zero remorse to own one. Give us a 60 degree head angle and bushings made of admantium. And so my super nice, stiff, light, front wheel that I ride with the Mezzer does NOT work with the Dorado!f#$@ off. On top of everything I felt the stiffness of the cockpit in hands and what happen beneath the crown. You may have single crown forks with really super stiff O.D big stanchions, yes, I really think we could even build a beefy fork with 50mm huge and stiff stanchions but if we attach those legs to a single crown sort of weak design we may have no benefits out of the bigger legs - in practical words you can translate this visually looking at any of the pink bikes huck to flat series. This prototype Selva XL / EN / FR(?) I have a dual crown, that i throw out when the situation presents itself.But 95% of the time i'm on my single 180mm. In the dual crown we have 2 crowns, the forces are better distributed and handled, especially if the dual crown is an upside-down design. So you are telling me that in 10 years, all we have managed to do is take 30-40mm of travel off of a downhill bike, stick 27.5's and a 12sp on there and called it a day? 200mm is too much for enduro. Big travel is great for carrying speed, ie if youre going down a steep hill covered in roots, rocks, and holes that would otherwise slow you down. I loved that fork! Axle to crown is basically the same as the 170mm Lyrik that is on the bike now. (because some enduro bikes are certified for it, some not i recognised), I think the bigger concern of frame damage is actually having the stanchions/bumpers put a dent/hole in your headtube when turning hard, rather than snapping anything off from riding force. I want the two wheels to be identical for the usual reason : a proper test is not a true test if I dont zero all differences rather than what I want to test: so both wheels must be similar, have same tension, components, rubbers, weight, same stiffness, ride quality. I think they'd easily match ( or, indeed be lighter) than the "new" 38mm SCs. Gnarly stair drops and the like with bikes you could jump and crash without trashing. Intense tazer mx, cannondale moterra neo, spesh kenevo expert, my mates kona remote, they do exist but definitely should be more commonplace, I just don't understand why they reduce them to 180mm, if I have the weight penalty I want all the travel. A long time ago I started to think that single crowns forks they may all have a big weak point , and the big point to me is actually the single crown design. I answered this even though I know I dont send it hard enough to need a dual crown fork. The last day has actually the fastest time one because I had the best fitness level through the few months of tests, it is only circumstantial that I had the single crown installed . Otherwise maybe. So no, you can't use a trail fork with that frame. everyone else just likes the idea of it. ), the Specialized Kenevo has one at 180mm F/R and it apparently is a riot. I really gave my best to clear out the variables in this test. Boxxer with its smaller stanchions is perfect for this. Dual crown, first place overall with 05m:32s followed by single crown with 05:48 (+16s gap). haha my first "real mountain bike" was a KHS DJ200 with a Marzocchi Bomber 888 on it. I have in the past and never had an issue on regular trails even with tight switchbacks. A Trail bike nowadays is an Enduro with a smaller amount of suspension travel. In the 90s we adapted all mountain bikes to use for downhill, now history repeats itself. front hubs are pretty cheap. They twist, they bend, they flex, and they creak. Does the Intend Bandit count as dual crown? Cool to have soo much data, love to trick out trail bikes with dual crown. @erikkellison: just look at eMtbs like the Rotwild R.E375 or Orbea Wild. I used to ride my '14 Giant Glory with a 05 Marzocchi 66, because they made the front higher than the dual crowns and they were buttery smooth and I kind of like good suspension feel. In fact, there is a stronger correlation between the date and the time than the fork and the time (times get lower later in the test). We might see something more compelling with the full 30 // end pedantic rant //. I'm thinking it must not be a very good fork. Vital is getting one for review shortly. none of my bikes are new enough to have one and I am not sure what it is. With cable disc brakes. Rockshox makes a 180mm boxxer air spring. It's designed to have a stiffer chassis and more linear air spring than the Fox 36 on which it's based. Feb 13, 2021. Ride whatever you can and whatever you can afford. How was the handling of the dual crown fork compared the enduro fork with the same offset? I'm surprised and at the same time not surprised by the results of the survey. Double crows just look awesome and they tell me that there is no way in hell Ill ever ride to their limit so feel free to send it. Its too bad, this is exactly what Im looking for and I like this better than MRPs Bartlett. Haha my enduro is 37 pounds with a single crown I dont need it to be any heagier. . Just we are getting enduro bikes that are getting close to dh bikes now. As long as it could make tight climb switchbacks. The straight crowns mean tight cornering will be a problem. The TEST Softer off the top than a 36, feels like less stiction, gobs more midstroke support, and HBO is amazing. Formula wanted to build a double crown 180mm Selva that was lighter than any single crown 180mm enduro fork. This is another last but not least minor difference I felt between single and dual: there are times when you are going to crash, and then you pass through the line alive, say thanks to your godyou know those scary moments you are in the air seeing yourself landing nose down onto an off camber root bracing for impact.well, in those cases the dual crown had some magic stuff inside that makes you walk away alive without crash this may-day avoiding magic-property seemed to belong to upside down dual only, so far. Support us! Dave isn't here answering, you might be able to have a chat with him via his website. Ill be right back, just going to throw my Shiver on my enduro to see how it rides. Building List Of Dual Crown Compatible Enduro/Freeride Bikes Hey all! Trek's Knock Block and other steering limiters raise the question of whether it makes sense to have just one crown. So what's the new trend??? Rock Shox have the opportunity to do a few subtle updates on the original Boxxer, with it 32mm legs, for this DC Enduro concept. 1 Review (s) Sold:2 Price: USD $299.00 Quantity: - + (71 available) Get a free consultation Add to Favorite Items 20x4inch KKE front fork with rear shock @TobiasHandcock: Only at low speeds. (I pedaled this Selva XL equipped Propain Spindrift up on ski area access road after missing the last uplift, and it wasnt too painful.). He has to run a SRAM AXS dropper seatpost because the Phoenix doesn't have cable routing for a dropper and his RockShox Zeb fork is 180mm travel because axle-to-crown of . The manufacturer specified 200mm of travel for the production bike in 2013.
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