Used hammers and jacks to no avail. Camber shouldn't be that big of an issue. One version is mechanical and can be powered with an impact wrench. No Good. King pins seized - how to break free? | The H.A.M.B. so i heated then and chiesaled to get them to move. I am assuming you've removed the wheels, brakes and all hardware, backing plates, etc before you attempt this. Are you talking about the 'king pin' plate that is attached to the front of the trailer or the tandem slider pins? After removing all the brakes, drag link and tie rods, I went at it. Something about unloading the suspension. Makes me wonder if FE stuff requires more kingpin work??? Before I did this I beat as hard as I could on the bottom but it wouldn't budge. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. No harm, no fowl if it doesn't help. JavaScript is disabled. Stuck kingpin wedge - School Bus Fleet Magazine Forums kingpins can accept grease better in different fashions and I forget those (weight on versus weight off). I have a NH 675E backhoe. just take that cap off of the bottm and put the new cap or old one with the new zirc in it. if you are doing a complete removal and installation. Advertising -
these trucks are very easy you just have to get used to them. They did not but they do have a host of loaner tools so I looked at them all and found a c-clamp tool for upper control arms. Made a 50/50 mixture of acetone and automatic transmission fluid.as these don't mix you have to agitate them solution. Contact Us -
70 F-100 Sport Custom, 84 Camaro SportCoupe. Grease until clean grease is visable then wipe off the excess. Randy 1970 F100 Sport Custom Limited LWB, 302cid, 3 on the tree. Safe removal of stuck endpin - The Unofficial Martin Guitar Forum Dissapointed in the manual. very good info. I Need CDL Training If not, my apologies. THen try a BIG F******G HAMMER and drift pin and drive it out, best to drive it out downward. by qmcdugan Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:39 pm, Post Most likely you will have to get the spindle refitted with new bushings ( in the kit) and reamed to fit the king pins. I don't want to use the torch due to all the slag it will create and I won't be able to cut the pin without cutting part of the bushing and/or cylinder. Why would someone refuse a special order? Thanks Reamer Reply Like # 2 Cleaned them up and put them in a press. Not sure on this, but I think I've read where some guys have had success by cutting the tops of them off and driving them down. it was the spacer that was holding them in the whole time. Aaron Nice job. I need to remove a seized kingpin from the 41 ford car chassis that I am working on. Let it sit an hour or two. they were just to hard to move in that little space. Removing frozen king pins during maintenance and repair on heavy haulers is extremely difficult because the pins can be 4" in diameter and 10" long. With that much force and heat you should have freed it up by now. It looked like the mouth of the clamp would be big enough to fit over the spindle. I never experienced problems after heating with a rosebudd. I heard all the horror stories about getting them out but, being a gluten for punishment, I decided I'd give it a shot. after i had let them sit in my garage too long. the backing plate may flex enough to let the king pin go past it. Any thoughts? Copyright 1995-2008 Atomic Industry: Steal our stuff, we'll kick your teeth in. The following errors occurred with your submission, 1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks, Discuss the Fat Fendered and Classic Ford Trucks, Lightning, Harley-Davidson F-150, Roush F-150 & Saleen F-150, Conventional (Bumper Pull) Towing; Travel Trailers & Pop-ups, Toy Hauler Towing; Fifth Wheel & Bumper Pull, Flatbed, Car, Boat, Utility, Horse & Misc. The objective is to expand the "holder" without expanding the "holdee". to sweat it back together. If you do a decent job (clean up the old parts, inspect carefully and install the new seals and bushings in a quality manner) the minimum time I would expect this job to . In the last fifteen years that I have been supervising school bus maintenance I have never seen a king pin wear out. while the cap is off look in there and see if the grease is hard of soft. They were all sized up and wouldn't even turn. Heat it up and pump grease into the zerts. When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Gouging rod or thermal lance, put a block under one of the jack legs to get the machine on a angle. Most the pin problems I see are when there falling out. I did mine in the "Big O Tires" parking lot as well. Manage Preferences -
Most of the time, at least for me, they will come out pretty easily this way. It's a tough ole part i beat the hell out of it with hammer but i didn't want to to much cause it didn't want to mushroom the kingpin. Using torches to heat is always the first on my listand if does not dislodge the part.time for step II. the zirc s canbe replaced by themsleves. Keep your jack on it with pressure and heat the bushings up where it's stuck, HOT, Ive had good luck shocking it with cold water or a block of ice on a stuck snow plow pin. That's really cool, wish I had known last month. The right kingpin is almos frozen. Well, it sounds like I'll have to check the shops to find one that is capable of pressing pins out of the spindles and getting the grunt work done for me, just in case I can't. The handles pulled the pins right out. Be careful as that's a big truck to fall on your feet!! Stuck/frozen King Pin is my problem-finally figured it out Feb 26, 2009 Originally posted by jdjunk21979 I have recently purchased a 94 7800 power quad mfwd. The bigger issue after replacing the king pins should be toe and that you can get pretty close. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. By checking this box and clicking the "Send me job offers" button below, I represent that I: By checking this box and clicking the "Send me job offers" button below. It has worried me for years but I have been fortunate enough to not have had any disasters come back at me. So difficult to remove the stuck king pin - YouTube The most common advice from the crew as I recall is: The bearing cap is threaded on. I give my express consent authorizing TruckersReport and its. Don't use heat. Cookie Policy | blaster, (some guys like k-w knocker loose, etc., but not me). 00:0000:00. I ended up taking the axle off and with it upside down I could knock them out fairly easy. may be you could borrow one from a shop that does truck work where you live. LOL. Terms Of Service. the backing plate may get in the way of the old one coming out and the new one going in. I haven't pressed in the new bushings yet but the clamp will do that also. Tie one end of a strong cord around the pin and the other around a handle (piece of broomstick works well). Do i need to get the big torch out and get this damn axle glowing hot for it to break loose. by fordman Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:06 am, Post Worse that can happen is I have to pull the axle and take it to a machine shop. When mine were stuck, i ended up gitting them out with the oxy torch, creating a LOT of work for me down the track, oh well. Depending on the pin and location we can press them out, pull them out with a press and rod or heat the surrounding area to expand it and drive the pin out. Put something solid under the axle, maybe a pipe under the spindle. (it's the one I brought up to your house )Nothing has really changed between 48 and 49. In CDL School Now Commonly refered to as bellmouthing the pin will actually rock in the beam using the lock pin as a pivot. Terms | Penatrating oil and clamp on to the brake actuator cup and work it untill it spins, then it should press out. http://www.theinductor.com/index.php?m=41. Ya I forgot about hitting my hand. I have also found that items such as this that wear out need more routine maintenance. Heat it up with a rosebud on a torch. 07-23-2015, 05:31 PM. An air chisel with the proper bit works great for both stubborn kingpins and perchpins. by NM5K Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:40 pm, Post they aren't a big deal really. Purple power works good on cutting old congealed grease, to me, it worked better than the carb/brake cleaner/laquer thinners I tried. and on my tailgate to do this work. Heat the pin on both ends with a torch and then let cool, the expanding and contracting at different rates sometimes frees them up. King Pin Removal, Tricks? - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums Archive -
Worst case you can use the torch to blow the center out of each end of the pin as far back as possible. I heard all the horror stories about getting them out but, being a gluten for punishment, I decided I'd give it a shot. I understand. *** The Official Superduty Morning Coffee Thread ***. i them sprayed some pb blaster into the top and bottom to lube up the pin and spindle bushings. Couldn't find the thread in the search engine. Kingpin Removal - Help Needed - Update. Roll pins are typically used in place of bolts to hold two pieces of metal together. by qmcdugan Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:05 pm, Post Stuck King pin wedge bolt.. ironmanwife Mar 12, 2011 ironmanwife Barn goddess Mar 12, 2011 #1 Ironman is trying his darnest to remove the last One and its stuck..the other 3 came out easy..any ideas? Right now, our upper bushing on the driver's side . Heat, & I used the round end of a BallPing hammer as a drift up against the bottom of the kingpin & a BFH. In order for you to receive the best possible offers, please make sure your answers above are accurate prior to submitting. Resolve now to keep the kingpins faithfully greased for ever more so you don't ever have to do this again! Have somebody hold the guitar securely (maybe on a bed or couch) and then you give a good sharp jerk on the handle. If you had a brass hammer to hold to hit aginst that would help.When it moves if you can push it back and grind it down if it has mushroomed. The press jumped with loud bang, when they broke loose. The pin can be difficult to extract because of various circumstances. 54 Chevy Kingpin removal | The H.A.M.B. - The Jalopy Journal Others took days and days of beatings and soakings and heat. Copyright 2000-2009 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited. King pin replacement instructions - The FORDification.com Forums All I ever say is OUCH! It may not display this or other websites correctly. Well I went shopping and when I came back he is 4 wheeling and the bolt is still stuck..lol..he said it was either 4 wheeling or a stick of dynamite..Thank you ALL..I guess he just do the One rod he got the pins out and take the other One with him.. It's a pretty simple job for the most part. Get the axle against something that won't move get then hot and larrup the hell out of them (hammer and punch). Always used the BFH. *** The Official Superduty Morning Coffee Thread ***, https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/shreadid=104149, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. while the cap is off look in there and see if the grease is hard of soft. I figured out why my steering was so hard.besides being manual. The bottom pin can out fine, its the top I am having trouble with. The first thing to remove is the retaining bolts---and 2 inches of crud and 50 years of grease! I usually try a strap whench first and it doesn't work. It also tends to become bonded tightly in place by rust, especially on the front side, which makes removing it very difficult. Air grease gun works better than manual. I needed to replace my king pins on my 53 F100. Stuck King pin wedge bolt.. | Freight Relocators Stuck King Pin | GMC Dump Truck - YouTube I've fought some pretty hard, but never found a perch pin or kingpin that didn't ultimately give up with the heat/air chisel combination. by fordman Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:06 pm, Post Have used heat on axles several times didn't seem to hurt anything. I figured out why my steering was so hardbesides being manual. 1-5 Months i woudl think you could do that at the same time or another time. Depending on how corroded, if at all, the King Pins are, 7 hours is not at all unreasonable. If you do not have access to a KRW tool (or equivalent) it can be done with a BFH. I mean, I can't turn the spindle by handeven with the tie rod end disconnected! Its amazing what can be done if you just spend the time to do a job. I have that tool in my arsenal. Without your consent employers will not be able to contact with job offers, would you like to opt-in now? Both sides are right hand threads. Please select the number of verifiable months youve been driving professionally using your Class A CDL within the last 3 years. so i took the torch and carefully torched the spacer out of that are with out damaging the king pin. Cried a lot but always got it out. I've seem the bushing reamers at a number of car show swap meets. Proper Way to Remove Kingpins? - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums If you have a 2" pin with a 3" wide bushing at each end, then if you cut a hole close to 3" deep it will heat enough that the pin will shrink when it cools. Administrator. You are using an out of date browser. Which don't be the end of the world but the pain in the a$$ position the pin is in will make for a job and a half trying to get the slag out. Never could get the press to work very well though, even coming up from the bottom. I mean, I can't turn the spindle by hand.even with the tie rod end disconnected! yes HRP i did take that bolt out. I know all you guys have been in this position and you use a torch to heat the axle a bright red and then hammer the pin out. Bellmouthed I beams are more common to medium duty, door to door delivery trucks that regularly run overloaded and bounced off of curbs many times a day. No pain, no stain. The trick to getting it out fairly easily is to break that rust bond loose. I had a hell of a time removing my kingpins, and if one is frozen like you say, you should ahve a hell of a time too. Kingpin Replacement for your old truck - Stovebolt Then wire brush the area until the metal is clean. Tips & Techniques for Removing Roll Pins | eHow UK (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Grease attracts dirt and dirt acts as an abrasive. I'll let you know how that goes when I get back to it. 2 Years Loosen the nut (but dont take it off all the way, you will want to tap on the nut, and not the tapered pin to remove it) Once it is loose, unscrew the nut, and pull out the pin. The idea is that the heat expands the metal around the king pin or at least causes it to "move" and this will help to break the rust and other crud loose so that you can then drive it out. NAPA also can do this or a good local machine shop. The piston was too wide so I placed a short socket on top. I did that to the '51 and it took almost a month to get it back. you will have to replace the king pin and bushings. Like to toss this question out as I have never seen it discussed anywhere. Any hammer over 2 pounds is a "speed wrench". Brad Barker
the brakes and all of that could be left on there i guess. by Banjo Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:14 am, Post If it's stubborn , apply heat. Like 4tl8ford said is the way I had to remove my stuborn kingpin but I ground the top off with a grinder. Do I just Drive them out with a hammer and drift? Create an account on our community. The manual I just got from FTE (1939 -48 Truck manual) Hardly mentions 1948 anything and rarely mentions an F-5. i think it is the same but i haven't put one back yet. I would like to say I will try it next time, but I know i will forget about it!! Is a 2 ton bottle jack. Also in your process of doing this you will learn and use new foul word combinations. I think that a BFH will bugger up the spindel or axle so that you will need to replace something. I don't have one and have scarred a couple up a bit. Got side tracked on my frozen pin yesterday maybe I'll get to it today ..Here is a cool hammer /driver story , I was always a mechanic but one company I worked for used me alot as an operator when things were slow with repairs , the company specialized in doing what every you could think up and would try anything as long as you were willing to pay , I can tell you some wierd stuff to do with equipment , we were working with a land scape company who was moving gigantic historical oak tree from the old Pontchartrain Beach site that was going to demo for new construction , they came up with a plan of digging a trench around the tree about 10 ft from the tree base , 6ft wide and about 8ft deep ,this was tuff digging and guys had to jump in the hole and cut huge roots with chain saws as we went along , they set a line boring machine into the trench and tried to bore holes under the tree to slide pipes in so that they could rig up and lift the tree out the hole with a crane , the roots were killing them , we came up with an idea to quicken the procedure and it work really well . we fabed a adaptor the slide over a hydraulic breakers bit and the pipe they wanted to slide under the tree fit into the adaptor , we had a trench dug for the pipe to lay flat on the ground at the level to drive it , we flip the hammer around on the dipper/arm so that it pointed away from the machine , they grinded the tip of the pipe to a beveled edge so it would cut as it went , it easily pounded the pipe thru the soil and roots , they wrapped the mud and roots with burlap sacks and wire to keep the dirt from falling off , we put 4 pipes under each tree , been a long time but seems 3inch heavy wall pipe is what was used , they trimmed a lot of the excess limbs off the trees , brought in a 100 ton truck crane and picked the trees out of the ground and loaded them on a truck , we did about 20 of them , we had another hoe digging the holes for the trees new home , I watched it took a few years for all the limbs to come back out on the trees , that was at least 25 years ago and the trees are still there and you can't tell they were relocated , it was pretty expensive for each tree but how can you put a price tag on a tree that is least 100 plus years old.